February 28, 2011 ‘The full weight of feminist despair’
I had a slow morning a couple of weeks ago: Mondays are my study days and this was one of the rare Mondays off before Uni starts back where I don’t have a specialist appointment or canteen duty or something to take up the whole day. I had one appointment later in the day so I decided to watch a movie while I continued covering school books.
I had a copy of The Hangover lying around. I don’t know what possessed me to watch it since I already knew what to expect. I think I probably even knew that it would (at least in part) make me feel like shit. But I watched it anyway. Cos it’s ‘just a movie’ right? I thought it might be vaguely entertaining. And it was just that. Entertaining…vaguely. It’s just that in amongst the slick production and the vague entertainment I had to deal with:
a/ the ‘cool’ friend declaring that his life was shit because he was married with a child, let’s get to Vegas/I may never come back (his wife whom it turned out he adored was of course both utterly stunning and virtually erased as a person, i.e she’s there at the end to stand and be beautiful for him to have his ‘moment of realisation’ but she doesn’t offer any opinions, or seem to display any personality, she’s just gorgeous, agreeable and wrestling his child into submission for him)
b/ the ‘nerdy friend’ being what I guess they’d call ‘pussy whipped’: his girlfriend was (of course) a nagging ‘shrew’ type, who turned away from his farewell kisses, who demanded obedience, who beat him (which is played as being humorous and only a ‘problem’ in that it showed just how ‘dickless’ he had become) and who had fucked a bartender on a cruise ship and yet was suspicious about his bucks night adventures (and only *this* type of woman would be suspicious about a dude’s god-given right to go fuck some women with his buddies right?)
c/ being given ‘rufies’ played for gags (date rape drugs, haha, how funny)
d/ the inevitable ‘OH WOW, LOOK AT HOW MUCH PUSSY WE GOT WHILE WE WERE AWAY – WE’RE *AWESOME*
You know, I fucking knew it I guess, so why did I ‘let it’ bother me?
Well for one thing I see over and over again that women are sort of expected to go along to these sorts of movies/watch these dvds with their boyfriends, cos it’s a ‘movie’. Whereas say ‘Morning Glory’/’No Strings Attached’ is a ‘chick flick’ and therefore an unfair burden to place on a man.
For another I find it frustrating that these movies have such a massive appeal. The message they send is that women suck, relationships with women suck and most of all marriage sucks. Men who are married are ‘dying a little every day’, women are in control, women are sucking their will to live, controlling them, dominating them, and keeping them from the outrageous adventures they would otherwise be having. They all ARE or GET or WOULD LIKE TO GET married (presumably to the same bland women at home who literally in these movies have almost no presence and certainly no discernible personality – except that is for the Devil-Woman-Ball-Breaking-Bitch. But you know, you score no points *not* being her, since even if you are the apparently lovely and gorgeous wife waiting at home you are derided as the ‘ball and chain’ and the thing ruining your man’s life/holding him back).
I understand why this has appeal as it’s a story men LOVE to tell over and over, to themselves and to each other and to anyone who’ll listen, or any woman caught in the crossfire (apparently invisible during Man-Bonding/Chest-Beating sessions): that BUT FOR their ugly sexless harridan bitch wives who DEMAND children who FORCE them into parenthood, their lives would be one long rock and roll party scene! They’d conquer the world but for their wives! They’d be rich and famous but for their wives! Sexy and wanted but for their wives! Powerful and in demand but for their wives! It’s all about them: they’re the ones who would be having adventures and conquests but for marriage. But if it wasn’t for them, their wives would…still be ugly sexless shrews desperate to pop out more babies and break men’s will to live. Obviously not all men tell these stories. But those that don’t…HOW often do they throw down and challenge their mates when their mates do? How often do they actually say ‘That’s both ridiculous and offensive. I don’t want to hear it’. How often? Well let me say in 35 years I have *never, ever* heard a guy actually throw down like that. Because it’s ‘just a joke’.
So you know, a MOVIE that celebrates men’s spirit and humour and oh so wacky escapades when they for once in their lives escape the clutches of their shrill nagging womenfolk? WHOOOOOOOWEEEEEEEEEE, we’ve never seen THAT before. A movie I as a woman am expected to enjoy/tolerate/find amusement in when the women in it are not people but a bunch of caricatures? Stereotypes that soothe the irritated man, that tell him it’s okay, women are WIERD, OTHER, UGLY, HARRASSSING, BALLBREAKING…or HOT AND UP FOR A ROOT…or good, sweet, kind women who tell you you ‘deserve’ that weekend of immature drunken sleeping around. (I’m just wondering how he’d have dealt with it if she’d said ‘Yes, you deserve it. As do I. I’ll be sleeping with that co-worker I’ve been lusting after, okay?’. Ohhhhhhhh no. WOMEN BELONG MAN!!)
The thing about it is that once you got PAST all of that some of it was vaguely funny – it’s basically then an adventure story. There’s a tiger in the bathroom, a baby in the closet, a missing friend, chases by criminal types, the cops get involved and there’s a time limit to ensue crazy antics galore. Except that it was ALSO homophobic. And racist. And ablist. And predictable. And tedious.
I don’t mind a bit of dull predictability and I don’t mind a ‘dick flick’ but for fuck’s sake people, do we HAVE to celebrate all the varieties of hatred that the white middle class hetero male has cooked up to make himself feel better? He’s so fucking oppressed that the only way he can ‘escape’ and cut loose is to flee to the dessert to take drugs and drink and fuck hookers and molest Asian men and steal from black men and…
Ugh. Whatever.
I met up with a friend and we discussed watching these ‘harmless’ movies, you know? Movies portrayed as just dumb, meaningless, just a chuckle – except the revolve around the idea that women oppress men, that women are to blame for all that is wrong in their lives, and their women are the only things standing between them and sex-addicted rock stardom and general outstanding and universally acknowledged awesomeness. Except that they set men up as BEINGS, as CONQUERORS, as actual people with desires and thoughts and lives and stuff (albeit total dickwads half the time) but set women up as absent (as in the case of the ‘good woman’, she is good because she is accomodating of his shit and almost silent, she offers no opinions other than ‘Oh, you’re wonderful! Sure fuck around!’) or stereotypes (hooker with the heart of gold – though she’s afforded no real respect, he screams ‘I married a WHORE’ in horror and even though he likes her – because she’s so kind and accomodating compared to his girlfriend – he doesn’t go back to her. Because she’s a hooker. So that clearly wouldn’t be suitable! Isn’t it fun. The wives get no respect then the prostitutes get no respect…hey I see a theme here!) or of course the ball breaking bitch from hell. What male bonding cautionary tale would be complete without her? But those are our options…absent, nothing, bland, oblivious to our partner’s fucking around and totally accommodating of his every whim, or reduction to a prop, a stereotype only there so the men can bond over the hilarity (OH!!! BOOYAH: she’s not just a stripper! She’s a HOOKER!!! That’s just how *bad* she is).
As we pondered these movies my friend said that sometimes when she thought about these storylines she felt the ‘full weight of feminist despair’.
But what tipped me right over the edge into this despair was standing (on the same day) in line at Coles, feeling the full weight of feminist despair and then seeing this old guy in Coles walk straight up to these young pretty high school girls in short skirts and you know DEMAND that they stop what they’re doing/talking about/thinking about and PAY HIM SOME FUCKING ATTENTION. And listen to his diatribe on how they had to COMM-UUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-NI-CATE and EEEEEEEENNNNNNNNNNUUUUUUUUUNNNNNNNN-CCCCCCCIIIIIIIIATE with ‘us oldies’. Because you know, he has a RIGHT to their time and attention and politeness don’t you know??? He’s seen two pretty girls in short skirts and he WANTS TO FEEL THEY THINK HE’S IMPORTANT and goddamn it he should be afforded some respect! And if he has to get it by force and hijack their time and make a scene and bully them into submission well by god, that’s just how it’ll go down okay?
I have to confess that in moods like that I really really struggle with being in a heterosexual relationship. It’s not *my* partner who did those things but suddenly I’m angry that he’s a part of a culture that already expects him to experience me as a ball and chain that already expects him to cast his roving eye always at younger and ‘fairer’ game, who expects he has no sex, gets no love, feels no compassion and care coming towards him. I feel angry that it happens and angry that he hasn’t stopped it somehow. I feel scared that this fury is going to seep like poison into our relationship. I go from commitment and calmness to wild panic and despair and depression. I see again this reflection that a commitment that was asked for (will you marry me) is treated as something the guy stepped in, something revolting, that the women who’ve made this commitment are treated so poorly, talked about so badly and I freak out. Sometimes I want to be married, sometimes I don’t, but we chose together a relationship of monogamy. Is that monogamy going to bite me in the arse and take me from being a real person putting all their energies into building a full life and into navigating communication, into being fair and open and listening and engaging and just reduce me to nothing? To a stereotype? To a punchline? Even if *he* doesn’t do it, his friends or acquaintances will at some point. And? And who will be there to say ‘Oh shut the fuck up, you have NO idea what you’re talking about, it’s offensive and wrong generally and you’re utterly wrong specifically. Why is something I give so much to set up as something that is worthless, less than worthless, an oppression of his potential?
Some days when it all gets to me I want to grab him and demand explanations, to ask him what he will do to make sure it stops, to ask if he really gets what I bang on about, if he takes it seriously, if he understands why it hurts so much to see the casualness with which women are run down again and again. What he’ll do before it’s too late for his daughter? What he’ll do afterwards to explain to her? What he’ll do in defence of me, in defence of other women? I want to grab every male friend by the ear and say ‘Well if you can SEE that it’s wrong, if you GET that it’s a real fucking problem then WHAT??? What *are* you doing? Apart from continuing to watch the movies?’. I want to shout that I’m sick of agreement and headpats that go nowhere, as in really: WHAT ARE YOU DOING?? If you’re not actually going to be brave enough to tell your mates to shut the fuck up when they talk this trash then don’t soothe me by saying you get it, it’s wrong, it’s bad when you know you won’t do anything. Why not say ‘Well your anger frightens me, but honestly I think that the way the world works is fine for me so I wish you’d just deal’, or ‘Well you know I *do* think it’s horrible but I won’t ever do anything outside this room to defend these views, I’ll just let you defend them’, or ‘Well sometimes I’ll do it but to be honest it depends on the context and whether I care about whether that other guy thinks I’m pussy whipped, so probably I’ll stay silent when I care about the person’s opinion’.
I don’t know what to do with this rage either. I mean I get the social pressures etc, except why is it that we’re the ones who have to say something? When the reactions to us can be so much more hostile and aggressive? I mean sure you might be called a ‘pussy’ but you can’t deal with that? I struggle to figure out how to negotiate it, I feel sad when the rage becomes anger at actual people, men I know and love. I worry that it’s not ‘fair’ to them. They’re good guys, they do say things sometimes. But all I can say is that while it might not seem ‘fair’, it’s more unfair to know it’s real, to see that it’s real, to feel lost yourself about how to deal with it, to continue to engage in those sorts of stories, to laugh along, to know it’s problematic, and to see it’s causing actual confusion and pain and expect me to stay silent about how I feel. The world IS horrible to women, the oppression of women IS real, ‘over there’ and over here. We don’t live in an equal world. And then we have to eat a shit sandwich every time a new ‘bromance’ movie comes out because we’re expected to laugh along at how we oppress by virtue of being, how we don’t really exist as people to men, how we’re typed and classified and ignored and derided, and treated like SHIT again and again. I mean really. Wow. So when the rage gets too much and I want to demand answers from specific men and they’re frightened? All I can say is I’m frightened all the time – I live in a world where my chances of getting raped are statistically the same as men’s chances of being raped in jail…I live every day with the fear that you would live with if you were put in jail tonight. It may not be fair to turn it back on you and say ‘I’m angry and what are you doing’ but it’s all I’ve got, it’s how I feel at times and to expect me not to ever talk about it seems to play back into these stupid movies ideas about women: good women shut the fuck up and make everything always completely comfortable for the men in their life.
At least if I air it I know I haven’t shut my mouth so that I get seen as the ‘unusual’ good girl, the easy woman, the ‘exception’ to the rule.
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Meg Thornton
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I think my biggest problem with these sorts of films is that they aren’t actually a realistic reflection of current culture, or of realistic choices. Instead, their characters appear to exist in some neo-Georgian parallel universe where these poor unfortunate young men are being forced (forced, I tell you) to enter into relationships with women against their own will. It’s all set up by women, these men aren’t allowed to make choices for themselves, or to consult their own inclinations when it comes to relationships or similar… and I read these plot summaries and realise this comes straight from Regency era romance.
At which point my brane implodes, because I know perfectly well that these days, if a guy doesn’t want to get married, there isn’t going to be daddy standing there with a shotgun coercing him to. If he doesn’t want to have children, he can say so and buy the condoms to prove it. Yeah, he might not get as much sex as easily as he could in a relationship, but hey, them’s the trade-offs.
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fuckpoliteness
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Hi Meg – I can’t quite tell what your comment is saying at first. I think I get it…I don’t think it’s reality either, but I do think it’s a really really common story we *tell* about our reality.
And I dunno, I’m bound to get some troll along to be all ‘Men get portrayed badly too’, which is going to totally shit me because I also object to those movies/tv shows/characters. *I’m* not the one laughing my arse off at The Modern Family and the ‘deadbeat dad’/’clueless doofus’ sterotypes. Also in those storylines the women are still ‘worse’, the ‘dumb bimbo’ who doesn’t *get* that men STARE at her BREASTS (cos I’m sure she’s never once noticed men doing it everywhere she goes) or the silly disappeared-into-mumsiness type who doesn’t GET IT when kids don’t want to do the beading workshop at the party!! And HOMO DADS! We don’t even NEED to make a joke because that’s funny in itself right!!
Sorry…rant attack, I’m back.
So that’s what I’m trying to clear up…they seem a realistic reflection of our culture in the sense that they retell a really fucking popular story about men, male bonding, oppression by women and monogamy, ‘types’ of women, entrapment and blah di blah di blah.
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nathan fold
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Okay, I can’t even remember how I came across your post, you know, I sometimes wander around online. It leads to the ‘Problem with Wikipedia’, as outlined in
xkcd # 214:
http://xkcd.com/214/
However, to your post….
Are you really comfortable categorizing that ‘women are sort of expected to go along with these kinds of movies’ ? Is that the case with the men you actually know ?
Do your friends who are male actually love to tell the kind of misogynistic self pitying narratives in regards to female lovers or partners they might have, over and over ? If that is actually the case, respectfully, have you ever considered getting other friends ?
Or, if they are telling such apparent tales of woe, have you ever considered telling them (politely) to shut the fuck up and own their decisions visa vie relationships ? I’m sure there are people like that in the world…If I cast my memory back, I have vague memories of even meeting some, but why would I want to invest significant portions of my precious time with them ?
Also, a reminder, “you” as a unique, nuanced, differentiated etc being were not ‘expected’ to watch the movie, it was a product created to earn a return on investment in a mass market context. The entire point of it was to earn as much money as possible for the studios which created it within the demographics and psychographics they had targeted.
I would also disagree that they set up the men as ‘Beings’, in fact, they don’t set up
the men as anything at all. The male characters existed as one dimensional props who are dollied out as prosthetics limbs attached to juvenile gags and adolescent fantasies.
In relation to your partner, and other males….Why would you feel that you need them to ‘defend you’ from attitudes you find distasteful ?
Beyond the cardinal sins of being a)boring, b)predictable, and (possibly the worst crime for a comedy) c) not funny (and by not funny I don’t mean offensive, i simply mean I didn’t laugh) the main problem I had with this film was not that it was ‘good’ or ‘bad’, more to the point, it wasn’t anything. I mean it literally was just a void.
I can’t say that felt despair about this movie, I would simply say that I didn’t feel anything. It was just…Nothing….
After reading through your post, I turned to my girlfriend, and asked “Do you remember that flick we watched…’The Hangover’ ?”
After she rolled her eyes and replied in the affirmative, I then asked her, “Uh, why exactly did we watch it all the way through ?”
Her theory was ‘shock and awe’. Mine was that we were waiting for it to start. I had read so many reviews of what a brilliantly funny comedy it was, and I suppose I held on in some kind of deathgrip optimism, waiting for the ‘comedy’ to start, as opposed to the dribbling unspooling of collaged deodorant/beer/fast food ads which played out across the screen.
Thanks Meg for a much more succinct, articulate and funny response than I’ve made here. Perhaps consumer culture encourages participants to engage with and transpose the narratives of their lives onto self-pitying victim narratives (which the characters in ‘The Hangover’ espouse and embody), which thus allow for the (perhaps temporary) negation of responsibility ?
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fuckpoliteness
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I am comfortable, yes asserting (rather than ‘categorising’) that women are expected to take an interest in ‘male’ movies, interests and pursuits: to whit, my boyfriend who got taken to task recently for knowing what a GHD is by his sister with ‘Oh my GOD! Aren’t you embarrassed to admit that publicly?’. I can’t remember the last time I was asked if I was embarrassed to admit that I know the offside rule, or to have ‘read the articles’ in FHM or other designated ‘manly’ pursuits. The circles that I move in now are quite different, but it’s still there albeit somewhat diluted, but in the areas I grew up in it was nothing for women to go along with men’s interests even where they were not interested themselves, but expecting a man to come along to see/do something they were interested in was off limits, what sort of ‘pussy’ would go see Sex and the City with his Mrs (even when she’d seen Hot Tub Time Machine with him).
Now, I (being me and not your caricature of me) admit this is all quite complex: there is nothing to say that women prefer rom-coms to action movies, pop to rock, dance to sport etc. I love me some loud guitar heavy music, some shoot em up action films, a soccer match and beer. But what I’m saying is that we gender a bunch of activities and it’s taken for granted that women will go along with a bunch of those activities gendered ‘male’ whereas ‘proper men’ should not go along to/admit to enjoying/admit proper knowledge of those things designated feminine. Yes, it is still generalisation territory because the complexities are more than can be teased out in one post.
If you will read the post, I did not say all my male friends tell these sorts of jokes. In fact I think I’m relatively clear that they don’t, that they’re decent guys and that they sometimes pull others up on their shit. I have however heard these jokes again and again in the workplace, and in the family and the extended family – would you suggest that I get a new job and family? Because if so, then ‘respectfully’ pull your head in. You’re not me, with my life experience and pressures. I happen to love my job, and while I loathe those jokes, my experience in other jobs tells me it won’t be much better elsewhere, that it’s down to me to let it be a ‘water off a ducks back’ deal. Occassionally I *do* tell my bosses to shut the fuck up but I save that for when they get rolling with the more hardcore homophobia, or their assumptions are directed at others in a more dangerous way. While I think it is repulsive and offensive and quite serious to make these sorts of ‘wife jokes’ they’re also not worth risking my job over and THAT is the sort of shitty choice we feminists irritatingly like to point out as a problem.
I am not qualified to answer why YOU would want to ‘invest significant portions of your precious time with them’ but just a brief reminder that this post is, hey: not about you. It’s about me, and my experiences. Growing up, in settings where I could not say ‘Shut the fuck up’ if I didn’t want to be smacked around (and strangely I did not). Then social networks where my strategy was to ignore it because you couldn’t win. The ‘cool girls’ could ignore it and roll their eyes, only the ‘idiots’ would get bothered by the constant reminders of their presumed inferiority. They were my friends, I enjoyed belonging to that group and it was easier to eat the shit sandwich and stay quiet than start the argument in a group of guys who think they win for Making A Point While Male. And yes, I did try it at times. And now it’s family gatherings, friends of friends of friends, and the workplace and professional networking. I’m in law. You try telling a Judge/QC to ‘shut the fuck up’ and see how long you have a job, and it’s not just about paying my rent and not letting my child starve, it’s about keeping women in law and being able to do good things with my qualifications. So you know, I’ll thank you to keep in mind that your experience isn’t what’s being discussed.
My experience has been that I am innundated with ‘wife jokes’ frequently and that the best strategy usually is to pretend you can’t hear them: actually engaging usually gets the ‘Oh, it’s just a JOKE!’, or ‘Ooh, touched a nerve’. I sometimes *do* tell people to shut the fuck up, and sometimes I don’t because I judge it is not socially or physically safe for me to do so. With respect, given that you’ve no knowledge of my life or experiences perhaps you could try putting yourself in my shoes rather than just sweeping in to mansplain how I’m wrong and why.
As the rest of your post is one longwinded explanation of how you disagree (and I’m therefore wrong) I’m not bothering. Good for you, you have an opposing opinion. Just for the record it hasn’t shifted mine at all. I agree that it wasn’t funny, but I disagree with your assesment of the ‘main problem’, I don’t care that you didn’t feel despair – clearly I did and I’m sorry you felt compelled to waste your precious time telling me how I’m wrong to feel as I do.
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tree
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i followed a link here from hoyden about town, and i’m so glad i did. this is an astonishing and wonderful post. you’ve articulated the anger and confusion and fear that i feel so very well. thank you. thank you so much.
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fuckpoliteness
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Thank you Tree! I actually find it really hard to pin down and articulate exactly what is bothering me with this stuff. Particularly when my writing style is rather rash. I get a bee in my bonnet and I just write and write until it feels slightly better. So each time I *know* I’ve left things out, I *know* I haven’t covered it as well as it could have been covered and it never seems to achieve (to my mind) the beauty/poetry/right on-ness of other bloggers – you know, I read I Blame The Patriarchy sometimes and her posts are just so methodical and clear and powerful (and extremely funny/well written) that I am a bit wistful when I think about the quality of my own rants. But I guess that’s been the whole point for me in starting this blog is that we’re just supposed to shut up and not try to articulate it, not be bothered by it, and I think there’s value in every attempt to not only think about and articulate what is bothering us but to show the anger and emotion that comes with it.
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fuckpoliteness
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Ah, yes…Nathan. Last night I was drifting off to sleep and suddenly something you had said floated to the surface of my thoughts. It was your question on why I would feel a need to have the men in my life ‘defend’ me. Now I’m not sure if you intentionally skewed the implications of what I was saying or it was unintentional. It’s pretty common to cast a feminist’s political request for actual ally assistance from those that call themselves allies as a helpless distress call.
What I was actually saying is that when guys talk to me about knowing that misogynist jokes and attitudes are wrong, like really wrong as in propping up inequality, disrespect and violence in entrenched and institutionalised ways that are fucking up society (particularly women) then they as men who have declared they know it really *is* wrong and dangerous have an obligation when they hear it in social contexts to step in and say something. Men have more power to challenge the attitudes of other men than women do, and if they can see and recognise the misogyny, then it is straight up wrong of them to just say nothing when and where they can (I recognise that there are instances where it is extremely confusing/there is a complex social situation in which you may have to choose not to tackle it this time but the responsibility is still there). Why should women be left responsible to challenge these attitudes? Let the women first handle the consequences OF the misogyny, and then the challenge of trying to shut it down, and THEN the punishment for daring to challenge it? No. Men have a responsibility to challenge other men on their misogyny, just as I as a white* able bodied cis gendered currently hetero identifying woman have a responsibility to challenge other white people, other able bodied people on racism and ablism, their homophobia and trans phobia. And I have that *first* responsibility, ie if I am in a room and an anti-Indigenous comment gets made, then I have the obligation as the woman not affected by that comment to say ‘Hey, that is WAY out of line’. I’m not going to leave it for someone in the room who might be of Indigenous background and let them try to handle the conflict on top of the hurt. And when I am crossing the road and see motorists being careless and nearly backing into a woman in a wheelchair, then yes, I have the responsibility to say ‘What the hell are you doing? You could have hit her! Why aren’t you looking’. This actually happened in Newtown, and the idea of leaving that woman, in shock and shaking from nearly being hit to articulate what the driver had done wrong? Well that would have made me a pretty shitty human being. I have the responsibility to throw down when my boss makes an anti-trans* remark. I have done all these things, loudly and often (and once or twice been so shocked, or caught out in such a bizarre social situation that I have had to swallow my rage and deal with the guilt because I knew it was still my responsibility to find a way even though it was hard).
So the point I was making seems to me to be a fairly uncontroversial point (that I expect the guys in my life who get cookies for talking feminist ideas with me to then actually practice it in every day life by challenging the views expressed by other men that they know to be sexist, demeaning and misogynist). But you took that point and twisted it into some idea that I am a damsel in distress and need a defence of my ‘virtue’ or something. I don’t. BUT if my partner hears jokes about how his life will be over when he marries me, about how he’ll get no more sex, about controlling women, about nagging shrews, then you are damned right that I am saying I would expect him to tell them to shut it, and to present a snapshot of the truth about me to make it clear that they are wrong, (as with the guy who came into our office having been married recently and my boss said ‘Are you getting any’ implying that he wouldn’t as sex was married ((and before you start the ‘implication’ was made explicit and I know these people pretty well)) only to eat a shit sandwich when the guy said “Oh more than I can handle! If you ask her she’ll say she’s not getting enough”), just as, in a conversation where someone says men are incapable of cooking/housework I would point out not only the broader point that that generalisation is offensive, unhelpful and just reinforces all kinds of negative crap, but also if they were suggesting that about my boyfriend either explicitly or by implication, that I would point out with no hesitation that my partner looks after himself extremely adequately, is a very capable cook and housekeeper, and that we share these roles equally and frequently take over the load for each other (ie I’m back at study so he cooked a large pot of curry for me, and my washing machine broke and the coin operated one is rough on my work clothes so he did a load of my laundry and because I’m sick he picked me up and made me dinner – alternatively when he’s snowed at work I frequently pack food to hand to him as he stops by on his way home, or cook dinners, and when he moved to his new place I cleaned his bathroom kitchen so that when he came home with his daughter they could just enjoy the new place). The difference there is the statistical analyses that men frequently do not do their share of the housework, and that the ‘housework’ jokes are usually not as dire as the jokes about women. But still, dire or not I would challenge them.
On a side (snide?) note, it’s interesting that your girlfriend had a theory and you instantly replaced it with your own by the way. Shock and awe sounds like she was shocked and awed by how crap it was. But that didn’t fit with your theorising about it being a void, so phht, there goes HER theory.
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fuckpoliteness
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A video to watch for those who don’t feel that movies in general or the Hangover in particular is about men
With thanks to Hoyden about Town’s tigtog for linking to Shakesville’s Portly Dyke who included this video in her post Smart Lady Says Smart Things.
In fact tigtog’s whole round up for March 4 is well worth a read
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Helen
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Yes, I noticed the comment about you wanting to be defended (when you were clearly stating that you need men to start pushing back against this culture, and not just leave it to women/feminists, whose ideas are discounted anyway…) It was pretty shit.
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fuckpoliteness
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Yeah. Pretty tired predictable shit too.
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XtinaS
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Holy shit, I am in hearts with this entire post. And I have the same issue with being in a het relationship too — sometimes, I wonder what I’m doing, and why I bother, when I can expect shit from the world, and nicer-packaged shit from home.
Bah,
Permalink # Gender Across Borders » Blog Archive » Global Feminist Link Love: February 28 – March 6 said
[…] ‘The full weight of feminist despair’ (Fuck Politeness) “we discussed watching these ‘harmless’ movies, you know? Movies portrayed as just dumb, meaningless, just a chuckle – except the revolve around the idea that women oppress men, that women are to blame for all that is wrong in their lives, and their women are the only things standing between them and sex-addicted rock stardom and general outstanding and universally acknowledged awesomeness” […]
Permalink # Down Under Feminist Carnival #35 | Blogger on the Cast Iron Balcony said
[…] Watching The Hangover, Fuck Politeness feels the full weight of feminist despair. […]