May 6, 2009 Top Gear
A friend sent me this link. It seems there is a new law in the pipelines in Britain to enforce some diversity in casting for television shows.
The headline: Now Even Topgear Could Fall Foul of Harman Sexism Law.
First things first. It’s not a ‘sexism’ law from the brief scan of the article, but an Equality Bill.
Second, it’s not Harman’s law (she’s a woman, so it’s a snide little connection there). Yes, she made the announcement, but it looks to me like it’s a Labour government initiative. Why the fuck is SHE copping the blame? Oh right, whingy nancy bitches coming to ruin our fun.
Third – EVEN Topgear???
I LIKE Topgear. I think those three boys are hilarious, and I love their banter, but PLEASE. EVEN Topgear like it’s the bastion of equality, the forefront of gender equity, the frontline of feminism? Fuck off and die.
Said friend also forwarded this, Top Gear producer Andy Wilman’s response. Now let’s be clear, I have had about thirty seconds to process. This post is NOT on the merits of the new bill, it’s on the characterisation of it in the headline of the Daily Mail article, and in Andy Wilman’s response.
He’s ducked the fact that it’s NOT a purely *gender* equity law, and hasn’t discussed the fact it’s three *white blokes* talking cars (and tits, and murder of prostitutes), he’s gone the “Haha well one of us would have to be TRANSSEXUAL, how HILARIOUS amirite” route (I love a bit of trans*phobia with my breakfast), and then gone straight for the throat of the two women quoted in the article.
(Why isn’t she focussed on bigger issues, she doesn’t know me, you give feminists a bad name etc. He’s now collected a few squares in Anti Feminist Bingo (see version two here).)
Then we’re off and racing into the ‘How can it be sexist if half our audience are women?’ leg of the argument. FAIL. Fail on so many levels. First of all logic. Women can be sexist too, dipshit. Women get kudos for participating with a big old shit eating grin in men’s culture. We get points for saying ‘Well *I* don’t have a problem with it, it’s *fine*’.
Women can also be feminists and still watch shows that are sexist. (Sexism wasn’t the initial issue regarding the law change but lack of across the board diversity in representation but for now I don’t WANT to get into the law and its merits, just his responses). If feminists watched nothing that was sexist what the fuck would we watch? Really! Again, I like the show, it makes me laugh and their banter is endearing, I’d love to have beers with them, and I think they’re pretty ok. But fuck off if you’re going to say it’s never ever ever sexist and your proof is that chicks dig it.
Also FAIL on feminism grounds, classic bullshit defence to allegations of sexism – but a woman agreed/but women laugh/but women like it.
Then there’s the snide remarks about Top Gear being about a journey into the male mind, whereas What Not To Wear is a more a *veering* into the journey into the female mind. Well for one thing I’d shoot myself before I watched that, so am I not female? Man in a woman’s body? (Obviously I’m a shithouse woman if I both watch Top Gear and cringe at moments of sexism – I’m thinking for instance of Jeremy struggling not to salivate while openly banging on about being able to see through Billie Pipers shirt).
Anyway, this sort of argument is hardly sustainable: it’s a journey into the male mind: FASCINATING! See movies and television and books are all ABOUT the journey into the male mind, it’s hardly a rarity.
Beppie, feminist extraordinaire, Guest Poster at Hoyden and Doctoral Candidate in young adult literature put it well when explaining a core tenet of literary theory: she said that to even become literate, to enter into the world of fiction, girls must learn to see things from boys/men’s point of view – that’s far and away the main viewpoint through which stories are told.
Heroes and protagonists are overwhelmingly represented as boys/men, and girls need to identify with them in order to enter into literacy, to read, to watch, to engage. Whereas boys/men are not expected to identify with women (chicks dig stoopid shit like What Not To Wear so why bother identifying with their views/thoughts/lives).
So to take a step back, again I say I like the show, it’s funny. But get on with your fool self if you’re going to claim that anyone suggesting it’s a boys club is an out of touch deluded feminazi.
I enjoy the banter, but I know how excluded I am if I have any problem with old men leering and making comments about a young woman’s breasts as part of an interview on her driving, her acting and her life. I’m excluded if I think it’s probably not wise to make jokes about prostitutes murdered by truckdrivers – those were real women. I am excluded by the fact that their god given right to say whatever passes through their brain means that I have two choices: ignore it when I feel they’re demeaning women (and get cookies for being a Top Chick) and laugh along, or to say something when I have the shits (BAD Sheila, No Cookies!).
It isn’t Top Gear per se that puts women in this position its masculinity and the presentation of the male mind as the default. It means we’re forever having to weigh up disavowing discomfort and laughing along to keep the peace, or risking an argument in speaking up and being told by all and sundry that we’re humorless, whinging joy killing feminists.
I’m excluded essentially if I very DARE to have a problem with any of their behaviour, if I experience discomfort while they carry on like teenaged boys at a boy’s boarding school. And the fact that I don’t always speak up or that I sometimes even laugh along cos I can see the funny part seperate from the not funny part does not mean it’s not sexist, does not mean it’s not a boy’s club, does not mean I have no issue, or that cos I liked it it’s fine.
It’s not that it’s not sometimes funny, it’s that you’ve put women in the position of laughing along (good women) or speaking up (boring ugly sexless batshit crazy feminist fun spoiling women).
I wanted to copy and paste sections of his post to here, but the layout won’t allow me to and I’m at work so have no time to go through it all.
This bit jumped out (apologies for any inconsistencies in transcribing)
“I also believe this sort of claptrap is very patronising to women, because it assumes that women can’t enjoy the show’s presenters on merit, but can only appreciate a program if spoken to by one of their own sex”
Ok, again I say I’m not discussing the merits of the law itself, I need to read more if I’m going to do that. But honestly, it doesn’t appear to be doing any such thing. The aim of the law isn’t to ensure a hand holding of every woman in the public who feels ‘victimised’ – it’s to get more diversity in television programming.
So it would be a start if any critique of the law would engage with the factTop Gear is three middle class (straight?) white dudes, rather than justresorting to ‘hysterical female’ bashing.
But besides all that, the law just does *not* do that. Obviously women CAN appreciate programs presented by men. The only programs on which we get women presenters as a matter of routine is if the subject matter is deemed girly and frivoulous. And oh yeah, and female co-presenters like the hot young female newsreaders sitting next to the crusty old male news readers.
Andy, I enjoy your show, I really do. Occassionally though it shits me. It is a boy’s club. I’m not sure why you get so defensive about that. If it’s not a boy’s club where did the jokes about nursing semi’s come from? It’s not that there’s no place for men, their jokes, or their representation, rather this law is about addressing the balance – not just of gender, but in saying predominantly what we have represented is white straight men’s experiences and thoughts and it might be time to look at that, because while straight white men everywhere might think that their minds are the default, the most funny, the most fascinating, the edgiest, hippest, most rational and wonderful, that perhaps that sense of assurance could do with a bit of a challenge.
(Also note ‘claptrap’ – silly damned women, and ‘on merit’ a nice swipe at affirmative action. Sorry but things don’t change til you make them. Yes I’d be behind affirmative action, because women, persons of colour, queer folk, trans* folk, all persons not middle class straight white men have been passed and continue to be passed over without a second glance at their merits – or say a recognition of the fact that the Old Boy’s Club denied them entry to tertiary education/the right clubs – cos of the way the world works)
The law isn’t targeted at Top Gear:
The Equality Bill, which was unveiled on Monday, encourages employers to take ‘positive action’ to widen diversity in the public-sector workforce.
Yes, someone has said that Top Gear should employ more women, and it’s a boy’s club. Never fear. You could still employ women and have it be a boy’s club. Look at most programs with male and female presenters and most of the women’s lines are simpering sucking up to men, their points of view, their sense of humour and most of all their divine right to ALL HOT CHICKS ALL THE TIME.
I don’t know much about the law and won’t go into its merits, but I do know that Andy Wilman’s self righteous diatribe doesn’t really present things as they are and seems to rely on a sneaky little bit of sleight of hand to rubbish the law and anyone who supports it.
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Tricky
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I reckon it is all a stupid, media beat-up that the misogynists at Daily Male & the Telegraph jumped on –
Let’s find a popular blokey TV program and make out the evil warty feminists are threatening it. BOO HISS!!!
Free publicity for Topgear and we get to bash a sex equality recommendation at the same time. WOOT!
I like Topgear too – don’t care who the presenters are, though an Emma Peel type would be pretty damn cool.
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fuckpoliteness
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Yes, it does feel feel like a silly beat up. The comments on Andy Wilman’s post are incredible, all ‘Yeah of COURSE it’s not sexist, damned silly twits’ and worse.
I do care who the presenters are, as in I think those three are great, I think they work well together and they have a real banter and dynamism going. Which is why I didn’t want to watch the Australian version and watch three mediocre dull bogan fuckwits lacking all charm try to imitate it.
But the point of this sort of legislation is not ‘This show is BAAAAAAAAAAAD’, it’s more ‘You can’t tell me they couldn’t have put together just as funny a cast that wasn’t stricly three white men who share a love of cars and boobs’.
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shinynewcoin
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Great post, I tried to write something similar but failed and gave up.
It struck me as a stupid Daily Mail attempt to inspire outrage. But really, what is more worrying than not having a female presenter is the absence of any women on the team – writers, producers, location scouts etc.
Top Gear is a thin glaze of respectability on what is basically a sexist industry. The eye-rolling and “oops, we’re not being PC” giggling that is implicit in the response from the show really irritates me. I mean, if they’re claiming half their audience is female therefore it’s not sexist, they could start by at least respecting that half of the audience.
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fuckpoliteness
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It gets trickier than that though, since the comments were full of women tripping over themselves to assure Andy Wilman that they LOVE it being all about the men, that they’d NEVER watch some ‘silly tart'(kid. you. not) presenter, that Harman is an old fool who just needs to buy herself a Rabbit (again, I am not making that up). So a large number of the women who watch and like it are going to extreme lengths to reassure the men that they don’t mind AT ALL that women are virtually invisible (and then when they are there Jeremy stares open mouthed at their tits…again, breasts can be lovely, it’s just you don’t have to be a neanderthal in their presence)
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Jaa
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One of my favourite things about Top Gear is that at present a tall, blonde supermodel has the fastest lap time. Ha.I don’t even like cars and I like the show too. I agree with Tricky about the Mail’s need for BOO HISS feminism as it’s hard to be irrational about equality. Beat up is easy. And sells.
Good point about default male point of life view, we are still ‘othered’ into shithouse shows. And of course we can like sexist shows. I shudder at my absolute delight in Next Top Model and Gossip Girl. Say no more.
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shinynewcoin
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I’ve noticed women jumping on that bandwagon too FP. Also, the current presenters spend a lot of time bolstering masculinity at the expense of each other – describing each other as gay or somehow less male to clinch an argument.
I’m pretty sure JK was invited back to “clear his name” wrt the lap time.
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Linda Radfem
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“I shudder at my absolute delight in Next Top Model and Gossip Girl.”
I’d be more than shuddering, I’d be throwing up. That kind of misogynist shit makes me want to rip my own head off.
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fuckpoliteness
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I guess that’s the thing though LR, there is nothing NOT sexist on tele. So we end up each having to negotiate with media saturated in misogyny and sometimes end up watching shit we know is crappy. So while I get violently ill watching The Gruen Transfer (and stand by it the self aggrandising wankers) I LOVE The OC. And someone else may be staggered I could dare to like The OC but dig reruns of 90210. There has to be some space for tele can be just tele in your intake of it even while you realise it’s flaws…otherwise what is there we COULD watch without spewing/having a rage induced aneurysm?
And SNC – do they EVER, I HATE that. My son knows where I stand on sexism/homophobia, but I hate that this show that gives him all the cars he wants to see with a good dose of wit and banter has to enforce ‘proper masculinity’ as homophobic.
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Linda Radfem
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Totally agree that there is nothing anywhere that isn’t steeped in patriarchy. Some shows, however, are particularly vile and overt expressions of misogyny and next top model is one of them.
Other than the obvious stuff about body image, many of those tasks are downright cruel. Then there is the shaming and humiliating of the women in front of the panel of misogynist arseholes, and the photo shoots; they get made up to look like corpses, or anorexia-sufferers and the like; it’s lobe-blowing.
The construction of what a “good model should be” changes from week to week. The goal posts are constantly moving. They’re never supposed to kick a goal, just wear themselves out trying.
On top of that, it plays up the divisions between women and exploits them shamelessly, they’re manipulated to hate each other and fight all the time. Then on top of all THAT, there are girls and young women everywhere who can’t get enough of hearing all these dangerous messages and who are internalising them and taking them into their real lives.
It literally is a vehicle for deliberate anti-feminist propaganda and anti-woman hate speech.
I don’t apologise for being disturbed that anyone could delight in it.
Of course it goes without saying that we don’t have a lot of choice as far as programs but we do have a few better choices than that one.
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KM
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I find this piece rather ironic (and v. frustrating) after your recent summation of de Brito’s SMH piece about how us silly air-head femmes don’t take feminist issues seriously enough because we’re all too obsessed with teh fashion. And then when some women do manage to mobilise policy to encourage female representation in public life, some OTHER buttheaded opinion writer manages to crap all over THEM. No-win situation, much?
FP, I’m also on board with your assertions re partaking in popular culture. If we are to involve ourselves at all, that means that at some point, we are probably going to end up liking/enjoying something that reinforces misogyny. Just as I realise that because I self-identify as feminist, it doesn’t mean that ALL of my actions and decisions are rooted firmly in feminism. It’s the thing called Real Life that we all have to negotiate, and sometimes it’s just easier to make it through the day if I play the game a little bit.
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Linda Radfem
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I agree we have to play the game, every day, all of us, we knuckle under when we have to and we take a stand when it’s safe.
However, in the interests of consciousness-raising and the overall goals of the radical feminist cause, we also need to examine our own internalised misogyny and challenge each other when we see it.
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Linda Radfem
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I agree, we all play the game, all of us, every day. We knuckle under when we have to and we take a stand when it’s safe.
However, in the interests of consciousness-raising and the overall goals of the radical feminist cause, we need to examine our own internalised misogyny, and challenge each other when we see it.
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fuckpoliteness
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Um…well I’ve had a few drinks so responding clearly could be tricky. I wasn’t asking you to apologise at any point, but rather I guess distancing myself where I felt uncomfortably like your comment was suggesting Jaa was maybe less feminist for admitting to liking to watch Next Top Model. I haven’t seen it, so I can’t judge it, but I guess I don’t feel like I want every thing I participate in judged as meritorious of my feminism or not – I love dancing to My Humps, and Single Ladies, I love Sex and the City (LOVE!), I enjoyed watching the Transformers movie – I dunno. There are times where I need to switch off and just *be*. To me The Gruen Transfer is EVERY BIT as offensively misogynistic as any other show I’ve ever seen, and yet that gets kudos, it’s ok to be a feminist and watch THAT blatant anti feminist agenda pushing. Who draws the lines and makes the rules? And while I know what presses my buttons (and chances are Next Top Model absolutely would – I wanted to scream over that Pussycat Dolls show and reality tv in general and most teen movies/tv shows/girls toys/games) – I don’t know if my goals are oriented to radical feminism and I don’t know if I’m comfortable telling someone they’re misogynist because they watch a certain tele show. Maybe I’m blind to my own hypocrisy – but I think that there are all kinds of takes on all kinds of shows. Certainly *not* defending Next Top Model (can’t – haven’t seen it) – just don’t feel comfortable deciding Jaa is watching due to internalised misogyny. Apologies if I’ve misread you.