December 5, 2008 By christ
Ok…yet again shall I say I don’t have a problem with people getting turned on by voyeuristic images of people having sex…what I *do* have a problem with is the culture of debasement that appears connected to it. Every fucking day some douchehound finds my blog by searching for things like ‘Underage girls love to fuck daddies’, ‘car rape videos’, ‘grandma raped while she screams’.
If you try to find just ‘regular’ sex [and oh thank god I re-read this, I need to edit to note that I do not mean by this hetero man on top missionary position sex, I just mean sex, whatever your flavour of the day which is consensual and mutually enjoyable, between adults no matter of what gender/how many/what have you], you’re bombarded with ads for ‘tiny girls and MONSTER COCKS’, ‘young sluts totally pwned’, ‘ass pounding with vomit’ etc. Even on amatuer porn sites, all the tags are still geared to this mentality of “They’ll only watch if it’s debasement of the woman”. I am no motherfucking prude people…I don’t give a SHIT about anyone watching people have sex…what I DO give a shit about is rape culture and it’s goddamned monopoly on porn.
And then there’s the whole “Oh but it’s not porn, it’s just pornified, photoshopped women in little to no clothes posed in ‘hey fuck me up the arse Mr’ ways”…like men’s mag pics, right? Like Zoo right? With their charming little “Come Wank Over the Chicks Men Killed” feature. Right. You get to claim it’s not porn (it’s just nekkid pornified chicks for the purpose of wanking) to assuage your unease/guilt, except it’s STILL PEDDLING DISRESPECT FOR AND OBJECTIFICATION OF WOMEN AND RAPE CULTURE.
“Men want to look at naked women, it’s normal” is the usual defence replete as it is with compulsory heterosexuality, and you know, whatever. Except you’re NOT looking at women are you? Women come in all shapes, sizes, colours…we eat, we work, we think, we argue. We have laugh lines and frown lines, and scars, and bodies capable of lugging our heads around. Because we’re people JUST LIKE YOU. You’re looking at a tiny select number of women, selected for their conformity to current standards of beauty whose profession is to not eat, to exercise ridiculous numbers of hours away at the expense of actual careers and life concerns and who EVEN THEN have curves erased, thighs ‘trimmed’, blemishes smoothed, have anything that marks them as different from a mannequin or a blow up doll erased, all for your visual stimulation because the most important thing in the world is YOUR BONER and you couldn’t POSSIBLY get it looking at a regular chick.
Sam in the City writes another half arsed opinion piece on porn. She cites Dr Robi Ludwig – psychotherapist, author and TV personality for couples who live in New York’s Upper West Side. (Who knew couples on the Upper West Side now need their own TV personalities?)
Dr Ludwig’s professional medical opinion is thus:
“I think all men look at porn,” she says. “Some men are more addicted and obsessed than others, but I think some men look at porn. So what?”
Well which is it dipshit, some men or all men?
So, you know, wevs, so what indeed…except really what about the *nature* of porn, of the porn they watch, or of masculine culture the connection between sex and degradation that means you need to go further and further to get the same perverse thrill?
Oh, well Dr Ludwig has an opinion on that:
She says that a man’s affection for porn is due to the enjoyment he gets from watching women being objectified, and the male being in a position of total control.
“It somehow hits the pleasure spot in their brain,” she tells me. “They identify with the male protagonist and it allows them to feel powerful and important. I think also these women are sexual objects and they get to play out fantasies in their brain that they wouldn’t get to play out with real-life women.”
So what indeed! So WHAT if men can only get turned on by turning women into objects, into things? So WHAT if men have such fucked up attitudes to sex that they equate sex with dirtiness, perversion, punishment? So WHAT if playing out scenarios in which the woman is utterly debased, humiliated and hurt for their jerk-off-pleasure makes men feel all STRONG and POWERFUL? So WHAT if that spills over into real life like when men rape strippers and scream they deserved it cos they’re sluts? So fucking what says the…tv personality for couples on the Upper West Side.
I really wish that fuckwits like Sam and Dr Robi fucking Ludwig, TV personality and therefore dispenser of all KINDS of wisdom would stop fucking pretending that what’s at issue is jealous deluded unrealistic whiny chicks who can’t handle that their man (again, responding to the compulsory heterosexuality here) handling his member if he’s not thinking about them. Fucking goddamn it. Beat it all day long if you like. Think about the rest of the goddamned universe if you like. Then I can agree ‘So what?’.
But fuck me dead, this does not happen in a vacuum, disconnected from society, disrespect for women, an lo I say it again: RAPE CULTURE.
At best we have the situation where all day long, every day we’re reminded that we are shiney little trinkets in a man’s world. We’re irrelevant if we don’t brighten the landscape for them, and if we do, we’re just another nameless faceless shiny little thing, to be objectified, wanked over, spat back out, not really people. We’re ranked and compared, having our noses held mercilessly in the knowledge that we’ll never ever be young enough, thin enough, perky enough, shiny enough, subservient/acceptable ‘sassy’ enough to covet the five minute prize of HAWT CHICK…there’s always some other New Object just rushing along to supersede you. And you can do all you want in other areas, but it’s a man’s world, and women are there to be HOT or to fuck off. Kick out the biatch and bring on the porn.
And then we have the porn issue. Leaving aside the fucking cliched aesthetics of *ugly dude bones woman who’s been freshly blowdried, manicured, and donned with tacky gold jewellery who mysteriously happens to enjoy a good dose of jizz in the face every night*, let’s look at the fucking power dynamics. Women are the holes, the receptacles, the object on which to act out all manner of degrading filth. The more she looks uncomfortable the better it is. Cos they’re disgusting sluts to be punished or the frigid bitches who want to take away our porn. Oh looky there, damned whores and god’s police.
So…when this culture is fucking EVERYWHERE, don’t you two morons be up in my face about how it’s all just the bad naughty girlfriend come to confiscate men’s toys.
Tags: Dr Robi Ludwig, porn, Sam in the City, SMH
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apublicblogging
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But I just emailed Sammy last week and explained how dangerous and destructive her column is and how it is actually enabling men’s violence against us and I asked her to stop.
Maybe I didn’t say “no” loud enough.
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bluestherapy
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Sounds like Dr Ludwig has her head well and truly jammed up her date.
As you rightly point out, we’re bombarded with imagery and commentary that totally normalises sexual assault/harassment/rape – porn is just at the more extreme end.
I don’t care much for Dr Ludwig’s rather ambivalent view of the so called ‘actresses’ either. I’ve got a strong body of research (post up soon) about how porn not only degrades women, but that the women appearing in them have more than likely been victims of rape during their formative years
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Fat Academic
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This. Totally this.
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fuckpoliteness
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APB, but when women say no, we really mean yes, or don’t know what we mean in SamLand…
BT: Yeah, I’m a little hesistant about engaging in declaring that all women in porn movies are dupes/the victims of child abuse. Women may willingly choose to make money/gain fame/enjoy being watched by going into porn (no, they don’t choose it outside of the patriarchy, but that’s because there *is* no outside of the patriarchy).
I imagine there is a large sensation of power in performing pornified femininity. My problem with the Drs perception of the actresses is not that they might willingly participate but that she accepts that men will objectify them for their own sense of power and they are somehow NOT real women.
Apologies if I’ve misinterpreted your points.
FA: Hi. Thanks for swinging by and commenting. I love your avatar by the way.
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apublicblogging
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Blues, I’d be interested to read that. I wrote a paper on the porn industry just this semester, and you’re right, many many of them have tragic histories of violence and/or abuse as well as poverty and alcohol/drug issues, yet so many people think of pornstars as rich and glamourous.
The other thing these people don’t realise is just how many women are abducted and trafficked into the industry and how focused the porn narratives are on pain abuse and degradation which are always framed as being what she *wants*.
Have you read Robert Jensen or Gail Dines?
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audreydarling
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*applauds*
I love reading your rants 🙂
Anyone who talks about ‘pleasure spots’ in the brain, knows where it’s at *eye roll*
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fuckpoliteness
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Yep, that’s one QUALIFIED tv personality!
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QoT
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@apb: I certainly don’t think of all porn stars as “rich and glamorous”. I also don’t think that big blanket statements about histories of abuse or the kind of dehumanizing claptrap peddled by people like Dines are constructive. Yes, many women in porn may have been abused. Yes, trafficking is horrific and should be stopped. Yes, porn can contribute to a culture of rape and oppression of women.
I just try to be very careful to make those statements without ignoring the voices of actual sex workers. To balance out your Dines, I’d suggest also reading the likes of renegadeevolution.blogspot.com
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fuckpoliteness
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I guess this is what I was getting uncomfortable about. My anger with Sam and her ‘expert’ are that they set up a false dichotomy of either you’re totally ok with porn and all it does and can entail cos it’s ‘normal’, or you’re a whinging girlfriend who hates that she doesn’t own her guy’s desire.
I wanted to mark that I could have a problem with porn that was *not* about men not wanting me, me, me all the time and only.
I was concerned after writing this post as it is my rant about how I feel fucked off reading articles like Sam’s that ignore the fucking bent towards teen porn/porn that revels in pain, violence and degradation.
I was further concerned when it seemed as though I was fuelling the idea that women are dupes/automotons that are blanketly victims to their childhoods.
I get nervous because this is a highly complex issue which doesn’t lend it self to black and whites, and I just unleashed a rant which might indicate that I think it does…it’s just the rant of being fed up with the erasure of the sick fucked up crap and making it all about the unreasonable girlfriends who ‘can’t deal’ with reality.
This to me is a seperate issue from women in porn/the sex industry and I do not want this site to be one in which sex workers do not feel comfortable adding their own voices and perspectives.
I get stressy about negotiating competing perspectives, particularly in an area that raises such strong emotions…so I’m just hoping that we can all negotiate this without it turning into a total shitfight…
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lindabeth
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Wow, that doctor just set back in miles the people who’ve been trying to argue that men’s enjoyment of porn has nothing to do with objectification and power!
Seriously, porn is not natural. It isn’t. It’s a cultural construct that reflects and reiterates patriarchal values; the form porn takes, the tropes it peddles, and what it focuses on is 100% cultural. Porn is just a genre, so doesn’t have to be that way, but right now and in its history, it does. You would never say that because humans have always enjoyed stories that movies are natural–they are cultural forms and cultural products. Saying it is natural for men to enjoy naked women (despite its heterosexism) is not the same as men looking at “porn is natural”.
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apublicblogging
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That’s a pretty condescending tone you’re using there, QoT. How do you know who I spoke to? How do you know I haven’t worked in the sex industry?
Along with my 4000 word paper I submitted a nine page reference/bibliography list so please don’t tell me who to balance out my Dines with.
Estimates are that there are about 30 million trafficked persons on this planet, 80% of whom are women and children trafficked for the sex industry.
This is a human rights issue, and I’ve put hundreds of hours along with my heart and soul into presenting it as that.
Some of the porn I looked at like “gagfactor”(every girl throat-fucked til she gags and pukes!)and “anally-ripped whores”(these bitches are ass pounded til their sphincters are pink puffy and totally blown out!Adult diaper time!)literally had me throwing up.
You’re right FP, this is a senstive issue and I fortunately have online spaces where I can discuss and vent about it that are sympathetic and non-hostile, where people are familiar with my personal biography, so I won’t continue to discuss it here.
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apublicblogging
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“I was further concerned when it seemed as though I was fuelling the idea that women are dupes/automotons that are blanketly victims to their childhoods.”
It might be fuelling the idea that anti-porn activists are fuelling that idea.
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L
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Thanks for this post. It really reverberates for me.
How’re things going, by the way? I’ve been so busy with school, my blogroll has fallen by the wayside.
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fuckpoliteness
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Hi APB: when I said that I don’t want this to be a space where women who work in the sex industry who might want to contradict me feel they are unsafe to express their opinions, I did not mean that that ought to be at the expense of your safety/comfort in expressing your opinions.
I am just aware of the propensity for these discussions to blow up. If I say I am uncomfortable with taking agency away from women in porn/the sex industry it sounds a slap in the face to those who agitate against porn. If I say I have problems with porn it sounds like a slap in the face to those in the industry. And since I’d expressed those problems in no uncertain terms I felt I needed to balance that out a little.
So I’m not really sure how to proceed without inflaming or offending people.
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fuckpoliteness
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Please feel free t go and read the psychoanalysis of my rant over at Soft Subversions, whereby my objection to searches for car rape videos and ‘grandma raped while she screams’ gets interpellated as my demand that everyone live monogamous hetero lives. Go read how apparently I can never find porn to satisfy me which is apparently proven by the fact that I am disturbed by some of the trends towards pain, terror and humiliations.
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QoT
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@apb: I’m sorry if I came off as condescending; however, when someone is advising others to go read Dines and the like, I’m concerned they’re not going to get a balanced view.
Of course I have no idea where you have worked or how much research you yourself have carried out in the area.
You may note that I specifically addressed the fact that trafficking and rape culture are serious issues. The fact you choose to again bring those up, with no indication that you’re willing to acknowledge that some women *do* choose (albeit, yes, in a context of patriarchy) to work in the sex industry, and enjoy sex work, and are not trafficked or pimped or the results of broken homes and child abuse, continues to silence real women and their experience.
This is not a black-and-white issue, but as long as the conversation only focuses on one side or the other, it is not going to get any better.
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crankosaur
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I’m so sick of this, “All men look at porn” bullshit. You know what? All men don’t look at porn, and the ones who don’t aren’t fucking Mormons or something, they’re just not insecure enough and care enough about women to not get off on them being exploited.